Comments on: Difficult start with cakephp

By: Frank Spychalski

Frank Spychalski — Tue, 28 Aug 2007 08:53:52 +0000

Thanks Baz, I could have used your post when I was a noob

By: Baz L

Baz L — Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:29:02 +0000

I’ll have to agree with you guys on the documentation thing. There is no mid level documentation out there. Everything is either too simple or way to complex for what you’re trying to do.

Here’s my first step to fixing that problem:
http://www.webdevelopment2.com/cakephp-installation-guide-just-add-water-and-2-medium-eggs/

If anyone knows of specific turorials or the like that they’d want to see up, just let me know.

By: sruthi krishna

sruthi krishna — Sat, 10 Mar 2007 09:30:31 +0000

I am trying to use CakePHP, but is really hard to knlow the basic use… I am really lost…Is anybody help me..?

By: Frank Spychalski

Frank Spychalski — Sat, 27 Jan 2007 10:18:39 +0000

@kabturekj finally I hope the integration will be as smooth as in Rails. Currently I’m using Selenium and some JUnit/HttpUnit tests. The results are OK, but it feels awkward.

By: kabturekj

kabturekj — Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:50:46 +0000

@bart
did look @ cakeforge ? bakery ? There are many projects in CakePHP with released source – for example look @ cheesecake photoblog

@Frank
Unit testing isn’t officially supported in 1.1. there are plans to support/use it in 1.2

By: Bart

Bart — Sat, 20 Jan 2007 00:02:55 +0000

I suggest releasing the source code of bigger and more complex websites. The blog tutorial is just too simple.

By: josepzin

josepzin — Thu, 18 Jan 2007 22:50:08 +0000

I am trying to use CakePHP, but is really hard to knlow the basic use… I am really lost…

By: Frank Spychalski

Frank Spychalski — Sun, 07 Jan 2007 11:35:55 +0000

John, please don’t get me wrong. I still think that cakephp is a pretty good project. Finally, I have a specific question I haven’t found anything about unittests in the manual. Is there built-in support?

nkryptic, thanks for the link, the only overview I found was http://www.phphacks.com/content/view/53/33/.

By: nkryptic

nkryptic — Sat, 06 Jan 2007 01:18:46 +0000

You might want to have a look at the frameworks compared here: http://www.phpit.net/article/ten-different-php-frameworks/

Of particular interest to me were Seagull and CodeIgniter. Watching the screencast for CodeIgniter really brought back some memories of the first rails screencasts (http://www.codeigniter.com/watch/)

Hope you find what you need.

By: John David Anderson

John David Anderson — Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:04:02 +0000

As the documentation slave for the CakePHP project, maybe I can throw in my two cents here.

First, if you’re having a hard time, we’re always available via the CakePHP mailling list/group, or our IRC channel. Its no excuse for crappy documentation, but these resources can help quite a bit.

We get really mixed review on the documentation for the project, and since your qualms don’t come with any specifics, let me just say this: we’re working to improve the structure. The manual for v1.2 is completely restructured, and I’ve already finished the first two units. The blog tutorial is mentioned earlier, and we really try to cover the basics more.

Our documentation process has been somewhat organic up to this point, and we hope that with 1.2 we can start anew. If you end up
wanting to give us some more specific criticisms, please log a ticket at trac.cakephp.org, or stop by IRC and holler at us.

Or jump in and help.

– J

By: Frank Spychalski

Frank Spychalski — Fri, 05 Jan 2007 14:39:46 +0000

Felix, I can’t really give you any specific questions. I’m familiar with Rails, so it’s definitely not the automatic stuff. Actually, the automatic stuff is why I want to use such a framework.

So far I accomplished everything I wanted, but still I feel lost somehow. I think the whole structure of the manual could be improved. I liked the blog tutorial but it should apeard much earlier.

The chapter “Scaffolding” starts with a paragraph about how cool scaffolding is, but withouth explaining what scaffolding means. In the later pages (I think, I haven’t checked all pages) scaffolding isn’t mentioned again. The chapters “Models”, “Controllers”, “Views” are huge and could use a small TOC on the top.

For the last 30 minutes or so I’m reading the symfony manual (http://www.symfony-project.com/get/trunk/symfony-book.pdf) which is (no offense) much more to my liking.

By: seb

seb — Fri, 05 Jan 2007 13:59:57 +0000

Hi, I’m working also with cakephp, it’s not as clean as rails. I can highly suggest to investigate how cakephp returns your model-instances. They do it using arrays and they use different formats. It’s a difference if you only fetch one instance, all instances, and if it’s an has-many-relation.

By: Felix Geisendörfer

Felix Geisendörfer — Fri, 05 Jan 2007 11:40:42 +0000

Hey Frank, I’m glad too see you are trying to become a baker ; ). About the documentation: What kind of information are you looking for? The manual is kind of for how to do the things CakePHP offers. The two articles by that you mentioned are trying to explain what is going on under the hood of CakePHP. So do you think this kind of information should be in the manual as well? Is it the automatic stuff that slows you down because you don’t know how it works? Give me some feedback and I’ll talk with John (the guy who does the manual) in order to see how we can improve things.

By: Frank Spychalski

Frank Spychalski — Fri, 05 Jan 2007 10:51:38 +0000

Thank you Richard for the link. I haven’t had any complaints about the comments so far, but I don’t have a lot of comments either. So perhaps other people are having problems, too It’s the default wordpress comment behaviour, but I will see if there is a wordpress plugin which improves it.

By: Richard@Home

Richard@Home — Fri, 05 Jan 2007 10:41:37 +0000

Success!

By: Richard@Home

Richard@Home — Fri, 05 Jan 2007 10:41:12 +0000

Tried to post my comment a couple of times but its not working for some reason. I’m guessing it doesn’t like urls?

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I also struggled to ‘get going’ with CakePHP. I can heartily recommend the following series of articles from IBM: www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/edu/os-dw-os-php-cake1.html

(Convert the \ to / in the above url)

You will need to register with the IBM site (free) to read the articles, but they pretty much cover everything (even the dreaded ACL) you need to get started.